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Welcome to Paddling the Blue. With each episode, we talk with guests from the
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Great Lakes and around the globe who are doing cool things related to sea kayaking.
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I'm your host. My name is John Chase, and let's get started paddling the blue.
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Welcome to today's episode of Paddling the Blue. Greg Paquin is today's guest.
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And in today's episode, we'll talk about Greg's involvement with British canoeing,
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what keeps him going in paddle sports coaching, Tierra del Fuego, and the Autumn Gales.
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today's episode with greg paquin hi greg welcome to paddling the blue hello
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john how are you i'm doing very well it's a beautiful day i got out in the water
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today and did a little surfing so i can't complain ah good good so tell us uh
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you've got a quite a paddling history so tell us how you got How you guys started paddling?
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Well, I started sea paddling after I graduated engineering school,
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civil engineering school, back in the late 80s. That's when I graduated.
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And, you know, during that, being in college and before college and stuff,
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I was always really into mountaineering.
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Engineering, and any break I had, I was always running off to the mountains and things like that.
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But once I started an engineering profession job, I really quickly found out
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I could not do that often.
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But I do live in the Northeast of the U.S., Connecticut, close to Long Island
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Sound and Rhode Island and the Atlantic Ocean.
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And I also was into enduro motorcycle racing at that time.
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And again, I could not participate like I used to.
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So I sold my Husqvarna and bought myself an NDK sea kayak. Never look back.
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I do still think about riding.
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I bought an old Greenlander, original Greenlander, not the Greenlander Pro, but the Greenlander.
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And that was a tippy critter.
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But, you know, that's kind of how I started at that time, only because I just
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couldn't run off to the mountains anymore.
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But what attracted me to the ocean was that there's a lot of similarities to mountaineering.
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You know, you have your navigation and understanding the weather and being skillful at what you're doing.
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And so that just really spoke to me. And, you know, maybe it was an old sea kayaker magazine.
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That's kind of how I made the transition from a mountaineering,
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mountain climbing background to sea paddling.
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I just didn't have time to get away, and I had this great resource right at my fingertips here.
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Put the path forward anyways in that regards. So by proximity, that sort of helped.
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Sure does, yeah. All right. Do you get out and do any mountaineering at all?
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Maybe in the wintertime, but that's where the telemark skiing comes in.
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But, you know, I miss that too, but I've had plenty of sea kayaking adventures
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to take me all over the world to keep me busy. Is pedaling your full-time occupation?
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It had not been. And for a while, maybe 10 years ago, it was.
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You know, I needed the break from that engineering world that became so stressful.
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And you become a vice president and a manager and all this kind of jazz.
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And I just needed the break. and I had started my company already, Kayak Ravology.
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And I always thought that I could, well, it'll be a side business and,
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you know, I can coach people and go places.
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But, you know, for a few years, I did rely on it completely.
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So how did you make that leap from the engineering world to a full-time occupation
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in paddling? I think I was forced.
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I think it was the economy, you know. I was, you know, I was the highest paid
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non-family member, so to speak.
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And I went down the road. And when that happened, that was like ready. I was ready.
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My bags were actually packed to go to the Anglesey Sea Kayaking Symposium in May.
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And I got the word and I still went. I just decided, well, I'm just going to
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put all my eggs in one basket and just go for it.
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And really up my game with my coaching qualifications at the time and just give it a good go.
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Well, do what you love and it'll never feel like work. Yeah, it'll catch up to you.
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I mean, meaning like all the work that you put into it, you're going to get
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payback eventually. So coaching.
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So you stepped into that coaching world and you've got an awful lot of initials
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after your name in terms of coaching qualifications.
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So tell us about the coaching qualifications that you've earned.
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I would say that kind of goes with as you're progressing as a paddler.
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This is before that I worked full-time in the industry, but where I started it.
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When I first started paddling in the early 90s, I learned of the BCU, British Canoe Union.
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And there was actually in Rhode Island, And there was a BCU coach that came over from Wales.
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He was working for a company in Rhode Island.
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And, you know, I kind of heard about that. And I said, well,
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that seems really interesting.
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And so a friend of mine asked, hey, do you want to go do this three-star training? I'm like, sure. Sure.
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And that's kind of where I got hooked into it. It was hard.
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It took me three times to pass that old BCU three-star.
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And I did it in an old Greenlander, not a boat where they had to have a lot of rocker.
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And that was a hard thing to pass. But I liked that challenge, you know, the pass fail.
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Because if you failed, you knew what you needed to fix and you worked hard to
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correct those performance gaps to make things better.
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And that was kind of the start of it. And that was in the early 90s.
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Since then it was the VCU Four Star after that.
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So I did that in Sea Kayak, Georgia, one of the early symposiums down there.
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And that's when I met Nigel Dennis.
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And I was the only one in the past at that time with the group of people that were doing it.
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So then once I felt like I had enough knowledge about sea kayaking,
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then I felt like I could be an instructor and I could teach people the great
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things that I've learned.
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And at that time, what was most accessible was the ACA's coastal level four to level five awards.
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Awards so as i continued down the bcu star awards i also was starting my instructor pathway.
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Not a coach yet but i was instructing in 2004 a group of us were had been training
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and we went to angle c in october to do a five-star training and that was a
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good eye-opener and then we went back
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in 2006 to assess the, you know, the, the, you know, the buds that I had trained
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with to, to achieve this level.
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We went back and we did pass in 2006.
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So once I had that, then I felt like, well, then maybe I could do the ACA advanced sea kayak instructor.
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So I did that. Yeah. So I, I did attain those awards, and that's kind of when
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I started kayak waveology as well, back in 2008 is when I started.
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You know, one of my mottos was like, you know, for my company motto is kayak.
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Those who are looking to do more, to do more with their performance paddling,
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to do more with their sea kayaking.
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You know, I was pitching. I wanted to work with the higher level clientele because
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that's what I had time for because I was still an engineer.
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So I used both systems. Both were valuable. Both are valuable.
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You know, I did then start in the British Canoeing coaching pathway.
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And I started with Coach 2, soon did the Coach 3 training.
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But I was really applying a lot of what I knew how to do as an instructor to
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fit it into the coaching realm.
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What I see happening, and it has happened in British canoeing,
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is that a lot of the coaching science has come down from the universities,
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Olympic-level coaches,
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into the recreational coach level, which most of us coach at and teach at is
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in the recreational realm.
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But the push to go to this performance coach award was coaching science information
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that I had not been exposed to at all, being an ACA level five instructor.
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And it was new and it was like, oh, wow, this is something I'm learning again.
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And so that's what really – what I like mostly about the British canoeing system
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is that I'm continuously learning.
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They keep raising the bar in you. If you're a game, they keep following and
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learning. It just makes you better.
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So out of curiosity, the performance coaching pieces of that,
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in what ways do you apply that to recreational paddlers?
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I would say that the obvious thing, the biggest thing is being –.
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Making it individualized to that learner. And you could have five,
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six people in a course and to be delivering a, it could be a surfing course,
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sea kayak surfing course or something, which I like to do.
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And each one of those folks are, they're performing similarly,
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but each one of them is their own person.
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They learn a particular way better, different than somebody else.
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And to be able to pick up on how they learn and how you can deliver something
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to help them so the light bulb goes on for them.
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Individually, for five people, while you're running an overall course,
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it becomes quite a challenge to do.
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But there's lots of methods to try to attain that, those learning moments for these performers.
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But that starts to fall into a craft of coaching rather than instructing somebody off a syllabus.
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And you're customizing the program and meeting people where they are.
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Exactly. And it's getting better at doing that, which does good for any business,
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brings more clientele in, and people return.
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Turn and, and, and you,
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you just, it's exciting to see the growth of paddlers once you've changed to
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that individualized coaching practice and using different coaching tools to do that.
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It's exciting to see, you know, their growth and where they end up going after.
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It's exciting to see what you've created and how far they go.
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And I think that's what keeps me going with coaching.
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As British canoeing has changed, everybody remembered the Star Wars awards,
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three star and a five star. That's what people in America remembered.
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So that's not that linear pathway anymore, which makes it confusing.
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But the way it's aligned now is because not everybody maybe doesn't want to
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go down the leadership award pathway.
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So now you have the personal performance awards, you know, two-star to five-star,
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if you will, in each discipline of paddle sports.
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I only really deal with sea kayaking discipline.
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So someone can travel down the personal performance awards, which are a lot
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like the four-star and the five-star when I did it back in early 2000s.
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It's a lot like that.
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And then you can do those parallel to a leadership pathway if you choose to.
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You get to the coastal personal performance award. And that's the same skill
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set for the sea kayak leader.
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So a lot of people like to go down the personal performance award pathway to
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make sure they have the right skill set to even make that jump to another pathway
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for the leadership awards.
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You don't have to, but it just gives people another option.
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Sure. Yeah. I mean, making sure that your personal skills are sharp before you're
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moving into a leadership role is important.
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Right. So, when you're in the leadership award qualification programs,
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you're still being tested on your personal battling skills. Of course.
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It's not like that goes away.
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But you're not learning it for the first time when you show up at a sea kayak
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leader training either.
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Which had always been a problem that people were coming to the trainings to
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actually get the skills that they need.
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I mean, that's one way to do it. Yeah. So there's other ways to get the skills now.
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But not everybody wants the responsibility of being a leader.
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So that's why they created that personal performance pathway.
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And then your third track is the coaching track. Coaching track as well.
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So that really starts, the coaching pathway starts when you have your first
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leadership award, right?
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So it's called moderate water. That's where the Sea Kayak Leader remit of sea
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state conditions are. It's called moderate water.
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You know, at least three foot breaking waves on surf.
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Sea state four could be as high as the door in your room. You're out there in
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the swell. You have tidal tide that you need to start dealing with now.
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Tidal planning, because there's current involved, but no tidal races.
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That's kind of the moderate water environment. And then advanced environment
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is with tidal races, flows over two knots, winds higher than force four.
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So in the current system and those three tracks, where do you fall?
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Like my personal skills wise, I had the old five-star.
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I had the performance coach award, and I have an endorsement off of that advanced water endorsement,
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which I needed all that in place to be an assessor for the advanced sea kayak leadership award.
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So there's a coaching pathway, and then there's also an assessor's pathway.
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Another level. you know go down the leadership track you top that out you really
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enjoy what you're doing and you want to give back and then you can drop into the coaching pathway,
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you know being a sea kayak coach moderate water sea kayak coach it's good and then there's advanced,
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so once you have those coaching awards under your belt then then you have the
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green light to train to become a provider of the British Canoeing Awards.
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So where I'm at, so I'm a provider for all the personal performance awards,
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all the leadership awards, and then the moderate water sea kayak coach award. All right.
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You mentioned telemark earlier. And I understand you're a telemark instructor
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as well. Is that correct?
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Coach? Yeah, I am. All right. Right. So that's your, when, when the water gets
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too crunchy to paddle, you're, uh, you're on snow.
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I'm on snow. Right. So how does that telemark experience affect your paddling and vice versa?
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You know, so I, back early on in the conversation, I mentioned,
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you know, the mountaineering piece and part of that mountaineering piece was
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a ski mountaineering component.
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And in the late 80s, that's when I started telemark skiing, started cross-country skiing.
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And then I started bushwhacking around in the woods and I was going to really
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get hurt on cross-country stuff.
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So I eventually found heavier and heavier equipment and that came to be the telemark world.
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And so I just kept evolving with the equipment really. Yeah.
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Now the equipment is quite robust, plastic boots, still have bellows,
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and the bindings are a lot stronger.
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So, you know, I developed with the equipment as a telemark skier.
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But again, when I had more time on my hands, I said, well, I'm already coaching sea kayaking.
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Wouldn't it be good to coach another sport that I really love to do in the off season?
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And so, you know, I found a ski mountain in Southern Vermont that has a telemark
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school and I asked if I could come and instruct and teach and they said,
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yes. I'm like, I just, I went with it.
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You know, I did start, I did take some instructor courses before the PSIA,
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Professional Ski Instructors of America.
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And that was done with an organization called NATO, North American Telemark Association.
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The other NATO. The other NATO. I mean, it was fun, engaging, and I was pretty good.
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And so I asked if I would help them at one of their symposiums up at Mad River Glen in Vermont.
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And I did it, and I really had a good time with it.
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And so I stayed involved with them and, but when I started teaching skiing at
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a ski mountain, they didn't, they didn't recognize those, those, uh, that,
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uh, NATO organization as a, any kind of governing body, uh, for teaching skiing.
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So it was fun and everything, but so yeah.
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As I started teaching telemark skiing at a mountain, it seemed pretty obvious
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that I needed some other qualifications with the PSIA.
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I started down that pathway, becoming a telemark skier instructor for the PSIA.
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It was pretty good, and I worked hard at it. It didn't take long to get to a
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level three. There was only three levels.
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Um but you know so now i'm already coaching sea
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kayaking and now i'm teaching telemark skiing
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but when i did that whole performance coach learning about different more different
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coaching science stuff i'm realizing that the same it's not specific to paddle
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sports on how you could um teach in an adventure sport,
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it's very much the same as in other disciplines altogether with adventure sports.
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So I would take telemark skiing, I view that as an adventure sport, like ice climbing,
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that kind of stuff, as I see it as the same as sea kayaking.
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That's an adventure sport.
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So the way you coach somebody in sea kayaking, is, you know,
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you could use those same tools, coaching them and telemark skiing.
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And it's, it's crossed over quite well. And so, so I've advanced a little bit
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further in the skiing world to become an examiner where you train other, other instructors.
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So, so they're starting to build off each other coaching wise, but.
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A good crossover between the two. Yeah, from a coaching perspective,
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you know, physically, you know, the upper body gets super strong in the summer from paddling.
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And you go to winter and you come off of skiing in the spring.
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And now, you know, your thighs don't fit under your thigh braces.
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So it's good to mix it up. Yeah. Cross-training, if you will.
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Yeah, a little cross-training. All right. Right.
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So you've had some great experiences as well, coaching in different places around
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the world, outside of your home New England waters.
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And one of those that we talked about just briefly earlier, off air, was Tierra del Fuego.
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So tell us a little bit about your Tierra del Fuego expedition and what that was like. Okay.
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I do want to back up to one of the philosophies that I have for coaching in
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my company, Kayak Waveology.
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Is that we're training people. We have great training waters here.
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We've got surf, we've got rocks, cliffs, and we have tide and tidal races.
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Training people in this environment, we're training people in this environment
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to be able to take them on expeditions or allow them to go on expeditions themselves
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to other parts of the world.
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So they have a they have a good database of ocean environments that they could
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draw on to feel confident to be able to go to another part of the world and
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paddle some dream location,
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so that's a lot of what we do okay do with the coaching and that's brought me
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to different places in the world.
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So the Tierra Fuego was a trip that we were not bringing clients on.
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I do bring, I do client-led trips and they're usually more to Ireland,
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to Wales, to Scotland, and one trip in Iceland already.
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But the Tierra Fuego one was a personal trip, turned into a little coaching.
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A good friend of mine that I had helped on along his pathway,
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you know, becoming an advanced psychotic leader and working with him and coaching and stuff.
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He's from Chile and he was, he came to America looking to advance in the ACA
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and nobody could really help him or want to help him.
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You know, from South America, there's a lot of machismo there.
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There's a lot of, there's a lot of powerful male
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stuff going on and and
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i i was i listened to him and i
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invited him out paddling one day up here and because
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that's where i met him i'm like wow this guy really knows
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his way around a boat he's a really
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good paddler turns out he was a icf olympic
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coach for the
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chilean slalom team but he's
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older now and so anyways but that was my connection to Chile was my friend Juan
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Paulo I had taken him to Wales to expose him to that whole world and he kept
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saying you need to come visit me in Chile,
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so eventually I went down to Chile alright so that was the connection so I established a connection.
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With a person, Juan Palo, and then he invited me down.
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And he goes, I got a great adventure that we're going to go on.
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I'm like, okay, what's this? What do you want to do? And he goes,
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oh, we're going to go meet some of my clients in Tierra del Fuego,
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and we're going to do an expedition with them.
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And you're going to coach them along the way. But they're also part of their
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– because he's a coach in Chile, Part of his coaching to these guys was more
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guiding, be able to lead expeditions.
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And so myself and my other half, Paula, and I, we went down to Chile together.
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We met Juan Paulo in Santiago, and we flew further down to Puttarenas and started
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the truck journey further south.
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So that's eventually how we got there. But some of the details are they didn't
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have great sea kayaks down there.
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They have sea kayaks, but a lot of them are plastics and didn't really fit well.
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So I'm like, well, we're going to bring three-piece explorers, NDK explorers down.
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So I'm a dealer for NDK. So I do bring in a lot of the boats.
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So I ordered a three-piece Explorer, same with Paula.
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And so we packaged up our three-piece boats as checked baggage and put them
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in the airline hull, and we flew down to Santiago.
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Got a little more complicated when we got to Santiago with the boats and all our gear.
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Like, the next flight to go further south was a much smaller plane.
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So we figured out that, okay, we're going to have to air freight our boats for this next leg.
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Flag, a day ahead of us flying down to Punta Reynos.
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So that's what we did. It was a little bit odd just to load your three-piece,
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strap it to a pallet, and watch a forklift take it away.
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Gone, man, I hope it gets there.
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Put a hole through it. Yeah. Did this arrangement kind of happen on the fly?
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So you get to Punta Reynos and you're like, oh, okay, now we have to do something
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different than we expected?
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Or did you know that ahead of time well so having our
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connection Juan Paulo from Chile who is who knows
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how to do this down there he knows how to operate in this
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in this country and it was his
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idea ahead of time to do that but we didn't know that but he was doing a lot
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of planning on his own he figured out that piece and it worked out just fine
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so we arrive and put to ran us we collect our boats everything Everything was fine.
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The young lads took the ferry across the Magellan Straits with their truck to pick us up off-road.
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Toyota Hilux, roof rack, the whole deal.
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Baja lights on it. Desert racing-looking kind of truck. And we're like,
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oh, this is going to be interesting. Where are we going?
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So we drove back across. We drove to the ferry to take the truck.
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Across the Magellan Straits. And that's quite an interesting,
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tight, greasy piece of water and a lot of wind.
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So we eventually get to a little town.
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It's like the last town in Tierra del Fuego on the Chilean side,
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not the Argentinian side.
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It's like the last town. It's the town of poor veneer.
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So we get some provisions. We provision more for the trip there.
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And again, people speak in Spanish, and we're not really Spanish speakers,
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so we have to try to translate wherever we could.
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But our friend, Juan Paulo, he could translate really good.
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He could speak English very well, and obviously, different dialects of Spanish.
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So we have one night there and but not
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really a full night's sleep so we have to wake up at 10 o'clock at night we're
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already quite tired for all the traveling so we have to wake up at 10 at night
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and do a night drive further south down these dirt roads to close to the bottom of,
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teotofrego on the chilean side and you know they chose to drive at night because it's safer
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because with the big off-road lights you could drive faster and less vehicles
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on the roads and you could also see the animals better with the lights hitting
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their eyes and things so it was quite it was safer to drive at night and you
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could make a big better time,
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and you had to bring your extra fuel because you needed the fuel and your trucks to get back.
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So that was about another six hours of driving,
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And we get to an area, an old logging camp area And it's at the end of a fjord
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So now we're in the beginning of the Perry Icefields And it's the sub-Antarctic region,
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range in in chile so we're still a little bit north of cape horn and ashwaya
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but if you look at the bottom of like where ashwaya is and that's the whole
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mountain range uh that's that kind of it's an east-west mountain range and we
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were going on the far far western side.
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Yeah so we have two young lads that were from tierra de fuego and they're all
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excited and and And so we did a day of training on a local lake before we head
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off just to kind of see what they were doing, paddling.
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So a little bit of coaching to see how they're moving about in boats and things.
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Because we don't know these, they don't know them at all.
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But they have scouted out some areas that potentially we could be staying for
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camping and stuff. How long was the trip?
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So the trip was two and a half weeks. Okay. Not a lot of time, really.
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To go this far remote. Yeah. I mean, you've already invested a pretty good amount
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of time just to be able to get to the location and then be able to spend the
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time in the location. Right.
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So we did a day of training with them, and we're coming back from that training
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from a local lake, mountain lake.
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And this is logging roads, and these roads were cut in specifically for the
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military to get access to the southern part of Tierra del Fuego.
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That's why these roads exist.
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Okay. So they're not worn-in roads that people are using. It's rough terrain.
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It's like logging roads in the wilderness.
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But there's no logging happening. Okay. But really, the roads were built so
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the military can travel to get further south.
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And that's why they were there and these roads are there.
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So there are a few hunting camps down there and there are a few farmers down there.
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And so these guys were so excited and they wanted this really special Chilean
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treat for us, British canoeing coaches to come out to, we can't,
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you know, they were so excited about this.
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They wanted to get us a present and for the expedition. And so they were in
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two trucks now, so they pulled off and said, you guys need to wait here in this
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truck, and we need to go visit somebody.
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So we're left on the side of the road in a truck, which we had the keys, thank God, just in case.
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And they took off in the other truck. They said, just wait here.
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We'll be back in like 15 minutes, 20 minutes.
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They came back in 45 minutes. We had no idea what they were doing. Yeah.
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We follow. We can go back to the logging camp, hunting camp,
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where we were starting the journey from.
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And then they showed us the surprise. So they basically got a young lamb.
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And so they had to barter and they had to pay the farmer or convince the farmer
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that they can have a lamb.
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So it was, you know, fresh and killed, all cleaned.
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So that was our job that next night. That was the food for the expedition.
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That was the main food for the entire trip. So you're carrying a lamb with you, basically.
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Carrying a lamb with us. Okay.
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So we did grill a good piece of it already that evening.
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It has some nice wine and traditional Chilean lamb on the fire, the whole thing.
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And it turned out that was going to be our main food.
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Almost every meal you stopped to eat was going to be lamb.
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Okay. Then we had other, we had other supplements, but so that was an interesting experience.
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I've never, didn't think I'm like, okay, well, it is cold down here.
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It is their summer. There is still ice floating. There ain't your glaciers still
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calving into the fjords.
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So the water is very cold.
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So, well, it's going to be a nice refrigerator.
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They keep that meat cold. So in the, in the hull of your boat.
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So I think we're okay. So, what's the paddling like?
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So, the paddling, so we were starting at the head of a fjord,
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which had, you know, this logging road access to it.
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And there's a river that comes out from that mountain lake.
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But the scene is big grassy fields, essentially, and then 10,000-foot peaks,
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mountain peaks all around you.
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And you're looking down this fjord that goes on and on and on.
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So it's a mountaineer's dream. Sure.
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And it's also a sea kayaker's dream. Yeah, completely remote.
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Very remote. And so we, you know, we spent three days paddling into the wind.
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So we, you know, a day up before we turned left and to another fjord.
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And this is the Perry Ice Fields that we're headed to.
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And another two days paddling up this fjord, getting close, you know,
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starting to see, you know, ice bits floating by, little icebergs floating by.
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Water is not a problem. them it's it's put a water bottle up to any little waterfall
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you see dripping down off the rocks,
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it's there's no there's no civilization there and
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there's no animals really so it's pretty
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the water is really clean you're looking
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down as you're paddling you're looking down in the water and you can see king
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crab but they're so deep down there but the water's so so crystal clear and
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so ice cold you can you can't get it that would be a great meal too.
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So we're paddling paddling up and now we're
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getting to into the tidewater glaciers where
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you know you can probably get
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up to about a half a mile quarter mile from
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these glaciers and just looking at this massive wall and it's
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you know it's calving into the sea so there's
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tidewater glaciers and then there's hanging glaciers that
446
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don't touch the seawater all around
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you so we did we did find a great camp
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spot there on on a ledge on a
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rocky outcrop far enough from the
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glaciers from being having a problem with glaciers but
451
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yeah but ice is constantly floating by you
452
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you hear the cracking and the popping sounds like
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you're in a massive thunderstorm the storm all the time because it's the ice
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just popping sounds spectacular stunning so we use that as a base cap for another
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three nights and so the you know the terra firma there is either rock or.
456
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Like thigh deep moss in very very wet and and there's hardly no trees so it's
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just like it's the beginning of life, vegetation life,
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after the glaciers receded. So it's like that first.
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Vegetation that starts growing after the places recede that's
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what you're that's what you're standing on interesting so it's so new so fresh
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so pure and it's pretty amazing but don't try to walk around in it because you'd
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be soaked you get off the rock and you get into the side deeper so for a two and a half week
463
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trip um how much of it was paddling paddling was
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about six days so that
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we we used that as a base camp area because then we could travel a little bit
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lighter because there's there's now three main glaciers that drop into this
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fjord so we were camped out by the first one we spent you know day you know
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day trips paddling up to explore some of the other areas.
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And we didn't see much in the way of wildlife we
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did when we started from that logging camp because we had a fresh lamb and cooking
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outside the the foxes were quite curious and they wanted some they wanted some
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of that lamb too they weren't aggressive but they were right there,
473
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and as you're loading your boat if you don't if you don't if you look away you
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look back there's a fox you know 10 feet from you like you look away you know he's going to be,
475
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right there trying to take something out of your boat so but they weren't aggressive
476
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but they were just very curious and but hungry so what was your favorite paddling
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memory from that trip well i would say so when we were doing the day trips from
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the base camp And got further up and we started,
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we saw leopard seals hauled out on these icebergs and leopard seals,
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I don't know if you've ever seen leopard seals, but they just look so prehistoric.
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Their mouth, their face, their teeth, it's just an amazing animal.
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And, you know, they weren't threatening and we didn't feel threatened.
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And so they just smiled and showed their teeth. And we got some awesome photos.
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I'll bet. So that was pretty spectacular.
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And we showed the photos to some local people after we got back.
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And they're like, leopard seals,
487
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nothing is around when leopard seals are around. They kill everything.
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And the marine life knows it. And when they're those, that's why we weren't
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seeing any other animals or sea life because once the leopard seals are in town,
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everybody's scrams. All right.
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So, yeah, it took a few days paddling to get up there. It took a day to get back.
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Are a pretty cool experience and glad you had the opportunity to do
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that you also have the opportunity to create some experiences for other paddlers
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and you do that through the autumn gale so tell us a little bit about the autumn
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gales and how that got started so the autumn gales got started on the heels
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of an old symposium called the rough water symposium that we were a part of,
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and that was put on by main island kayak tom berg that was his brainchild and
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that That event happened in our home waters here,
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eastern Connecticut, Rhode Island, for the rock hopping, the surfing,
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and the tidal race surfing.
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So that event was pitched more as an intermediate paddler's event,
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and there was a whole nucleus of paddlers and community of paddlers that were
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more advanced, that wanted more.
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War so that rough water symposium
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00:41:13,819 --> 00:41:18,039
only ran for three years and then
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i felt like i wanted to continue an event on after that so it came up with the
507
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name autumn gales had to be careful of the using the word gales because it was
508
00:41:30,819 --> 00:41:33,839
a great symposium called the gales of november,
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in the Great Lakes, as you might know.
510
00:41:36,579 --> 00:41:38,939
That was by Stan Klattek. Yeah.
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But at that time, that symposium had gone dormant.
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So we just basically used the word autumn gales instead of November gales or gales of November.
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So that's where the name came from, so to speak.
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But it's the same idea as really get out there,
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in an advanced environment or given that a pathway out there for people to experience
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some advanced environments in tidal races and maybe big swell surf that wraps into this area.
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And there's strong winds at that time here.
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So the event was pitched originally as more an advanced event.
519
00:42:26,899 --> 00:42:33,579
But we had to make more changes. is we had to not just bring people to show them this environment.
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It was more, now we need to now coach people better in this environment.
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And so I'm drawing on the experiences and the people that I know,
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the coaches that I know from Wales that were willing to come over to help me
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safely put on this event.
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00:42:54,339 --> 00:42:59,419
So most of the international coaches that come to the Gales now are the ones
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that have very specific experiences and coaching experiences in advanced tidal race environments.
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And then all of our local guides have to be the minimum five-star advanced psychotic leader.
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You know, we match up the guides with the coaches, you know,
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a local guide with an international coach to move around the environment.
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The local guides are going to know where to go and when.
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And the coach is going to be looking at the ability of the paddlers and start
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coaching them in a progressive way.
532
00:43:38,908 --> 00:43:43,728
May not be in the biggest stuff at all. But it's really given that,
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you know, a lot of people won't go out in windy, advanced conditions where they
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don't feel safe going out.
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00:43:50,948 --> 00:43:55,828
But now we're giving them a window to be able to safely do that.
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We try to keep it safe as possible to do that.
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To give them that experience, to give them that data point that they can now
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work with where they once before didn't have that data point to even consider.
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00:44:08,868 --> 00:44:12,468
So that's why people like to come to
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be push their boundaries a little bit and there's
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you know it's a great community of paddlers that do
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00:44:18,968 --> 00:44:23,188
it and there's a great community of coaches and they all mesh well and it's
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this is the 16th year of running and now when does it run we always try to do
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it around halloween so looking at the end of october sometimes the beginning
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of november and And each group is paired with a local guide and a coach.
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Yeah, and there's different levels of groups too.
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So we need people to come.
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So the advanced paddlers are actually quite a small group, but there's a lot
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of intermediate paddlers that make up the base of the autumn gales.
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And it's a great environment and a safe way to be able to experience that environment
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and learn and grow within that.
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Where can people learn about the autumn gales? They can find it through a website
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called autumngales.com.
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And they could also find it through my website, kayakwaveology.
555
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Yeah. Tell me a little bit about kayakwaveology.
556
00:45:20,698 --> 00:45:26,938
So kayakwaveology is my website that I run and a list of courses that I offer.
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00:45:27,938 --> 00:45:33,338
You know, there's a blog there that has dip past expedition travels and stuff.
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00:45:33,378 --> 00:45:34,678
So there's a lot of resources here.
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00:45:34,878 --> 00:45:41,118
And it's a way for me to, I do have an online sale shop for specialty paddling
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gear, sea kayaking gear.
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00:45:42,858 --> 00:45:47,018
And I'm an NDK boat dealer, so I need to be able to show what I have in stock.
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00:45:47,638 --> 00:45:53,378
So it's just, you know, it's, it's, it handles a few revenue streams for me
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00:45:53,378 --> 00:45:57,298
as a, as a coach, right? You know, it's the coaching revenue stream.
564
00:45:57,398 --> 00:46:01,878
There's the boat sales, there's the gear sales, there's boat repairs, there's expeditions.
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00:46:02,398 --> 00:46:08,218
So it's just it's a my website is really you know takes you through all that
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whatever kind of service you're looking for with the advanced paddling or the
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00:46:13,738 --> 00:46:17,818
need to be advanced paddling great you know we do take people that are just
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00:46:17,818 --> 00:46:19,698
starting out we always love to do that and
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build them and watch them grow fun so if people are interested in learning about
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your coaching services they'll find that at kayak waveology as well as the other
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services so So it's been fun learning from you, learning about the BC system,
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00:46:31,778 --> 00:46:35,978
learning about the autumn gales, kayak waveology, your experience in Tierra del Fuego.
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00:46:36,078 --> 00:46:40,198
And it's been fun. I appreciate it. I do have one final question for you,
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and that is, who else would you like to hear as a future guest on Paddling the Blue?
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00:46:45,538 --> 00:46:51,858
Well, you know, I would say some of my mentors that I have had help me on my journey.
576
00:46:52,318 --> 00:46:57,018
It'd be great to hear from them. So one of them, particularly,
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00:46:57,198 --> 00:47:03,918
his name is Kieran Tasker, and he resides on the Isle of Man in the UK.
578
00:47:06,278 --> 00:47:09,798
Excellent. Yep. So a fantastic coach.
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00:47:10,058 --> 00:47:14,198
He has a business there on the Isle of Man, but he's also quite an expedition
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00:47:14,198 --> 00:47:16,478
paddler as well. All right.
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00:47:16,738 --> 00:47:24,238
So he's going to help me on my performance coach pathway quite a bit. And so.
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00:47:25,763 --> 00:47:30,023
Good dude. Super. Well, more than 120 guests, and I don't think I've talked
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00:47:30,023 --> 00:47:31,663
to somebody from the Isle of Man yet.
584
00:47:32,863 --> 00:47:37,883
The Isle of Man is a wild place, and not only for the motorcycle race,
585
00:47:38,003 --> 00:47:40,443
but the sea paddling there is amazing.
586
00:47:40,783 --> 00:47:46,343
Excellent. A lot of tidal races, and a good old Manx saying would be,
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00:47:46,463 --> 00:47:51,343
if you look at their flag, the Isle of Man flag, Celtic flag,
588
00:47:52,623 --> 00:47:57,283
it's like there's a foot But they always hit the ground running. Boom, boom. Okay.
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00:47:59,423 --> 00:48:02,923
Well, we'll get the flag. You'll see it. All right. Well, we'll definitely reach
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00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:06,423
out to Karen and get him on the show. So I appreciate the lead.
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00:48:06,923 --> 00:48:10,623
And we will make sure we put links in the show notes to the Autumn Gales website,
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as well as Kayak Waveology, where listeners can connect with you on both of those areas.
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00:48:16,243 --> 00:48:19,363
Super. All right. Greg, thank you again for the opportunity to talk.
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I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank you.
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Fuego sounds like an amazing place to paddle. Thanks to Greg for sharing his
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